Graham jokes: If you said ‘Mueller thinks climate change is a hoax,’ then Trump would believe in it

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) told those gathered at a Dallas-based sustainability conference that President Trump has a long way to go in acknowledging the science behind climate change.

“Climate change is real, the science is sound and the solutions are available,” Graham said, adding jokingly, “If I told Trump that [special counsel Robert] Mueller thinks climate change is a hoax, we’d be well on our way.”

{mosads}Trump has a long history of lashing out at both the special counsel investigation and global warming as a concept, repeatedly saying winter storms are a sign that climate change isn’t real.

Graham was speaking on a panel at the EarthX2019 conference with Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I) and Energy Secretary Rick Perry.

For his part, Perry mirrored some of Trump’s vocal skepticism about renewable energy sources, according to reporting from the Dallas Business Journal.

“Some people just want to rely on them solely,” he said. “Our air might be cleaner, but the energy supply isn’t nearly as reliable. Imagine what a single natural disaster or cybersecurity attack would do to us when the sun doesn’t come out, or the wind doesn’t blow. The cost to our economy would be huge.”

Trump has made a number of controversial false statements about renewable energy, including comments that wind turbines cause cancer and that a more wind-reliant future would mean people would not be able to watch TV if the wind stopped blowing.